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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MMR vaccine does not and has never contained thimerosal.  Live virus vaccines such as MMR and chickenpox cannot contain thimerosal, as it would kill the viruses.

If you didn&#039;t already know the answer to this basic question, you are not yet informed enough to decide and to argue that MMR does not contribute to autism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MMR vaccine does not and has never contained thimerosal.  Live virus vaccines such as MMR and chickenpox cannot contain thimerosal, as it would kill the viruses.</p>
<p>If you didn&#39;t already know the answer to this basic question, you are not yet informed enough to decide and to argue that MMR does not contribute to autism.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Tippy S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tippy S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MMR doesn&#039;t have thimerosal, but it hasn&#039;t been that long since they removed it from many children&#039;s vaccines. From the CDC website, MMR contains sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolized gelatin, chick embryo and human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue). Other vaccinations including most of the flu shots still use it as a preservative according to their site.

You can read a blog from a parent who researched both sides of the issue here:
http://hobomama.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-we-havent-vaccinated.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyaVxYYVfQE

Generation Rescue conducted a survey of over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon. They found that vaccinated boys had a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys. http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MMR doesn&#39;t have thimerosal, but it hasn&#39;t been that long since they removed it from many children&#39;s vaccines. From the CDC website, MMR contains sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolized gelatin, chick embryo and human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue). Other vaccinations including most of the flu shots still use it as a preservative according to their site.</p>
<p>You can read a blog from a parent who researched both sides of the issue here:<br />
<a href="http://hobomama.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-we-havent-vaccinated.html" rel="nofollow">http://hobomama.blogspot.com/2.....nated.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyaVxYYVfQE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyaVxYYVfQE</a></p>
<p>Generation Rescue conducted a survey of over 9,000 boys in California and Oregon. They found that vaccinated boys had a 155% greater chance of having a neurological disorder like ADHD or autism than unvaccinated boys. <a href="http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.generationrescue.org/vaccines.html</a><br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: RickK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MMR never had thimerosal.  AND, thimerosal in vaccines never caused any harm that anybody has been able to measure or prove.


There&#039;s so much hype around this topic, I put together a summary that maybe will help you with your decision.  The choice is yours, of course, but you should hear from someone who doesn&#039;t have an agenda.  My agenda is the same as yours, to be a good parent, nothing more.
 
Do vaccines cause autism?
---------------------
 
Some parents claim they do.  But there are many many studies that show no link between vaccines and autism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy#Recent_studies
 
Also, many parents have stopped vaccinating, or are vaccinating less over the past 10 years
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immunization29-2009mar29,0,3148179.story
 
but the rate at which autism is diagnosed is still climbing, unchanged:
http://www.fightingautism.org/idea/autism.php
 
If autism was caused by vaccines, and if many parents (as many as 40% in some wealthy California districts) are choosing to not vaccinate, shouldn&#039;t we see SOME change in the rate of autism diagnosis?
 
 
Is there an autism epidemic?
-----------------------
 
It sure seems like it, doesn&#039;t it?  You never used to hear about it, then came Rain Man, then came Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, Larry King and Oprah, and now everyone has an autistic kid.
 
So if autism is rising, all things being equal, then we should see more kids applying for special education assistance in school, right?
 
But we don&#039;t.  We see about the same number (as a % of population) getting special attention in school that we saw 10 years ago.  But more of them are diagnosed as having &quot;autism spectrum disorder&quot; and fewer are diagnosed with other disorders.
http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=297
 
Other studies are similar.  There may be a slight rise in actual cases of autism, but it&#039;s hard to see through all the &quot;switched diagnoses&quot; and the effect of greater awareness of the condition: &quot;Honey, I just learned on Oprah that Johnny is autistic.&quot;
 
 
How did this vaccine-autism thing start?
----------------
In 1998 Dr. Andrew Wakefield at the Royal Free Hospital in England concluded, based on a study of 12 kids, that there was a connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.  Since then, it has been learned that:
 
what he said about the kids medical histories was not true;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece
 
10 of the 12 doctors who co-authored the study removed their names from the study and published a retraction saying: &quot;We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between MMR vaccine and autism as the data were insufficient.&quot;;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_enterocolitis#.22Retraction_of_an_interpretation.22
 
While they were criticizing the MMR vaccine, Wakefield and the Royal Free Hospital were filing patent applications for an ALTERNATIVE VACCINE!
http://briandeer.com/wakefield/vaccine-patent.htm
 
Wakefield now faces professional misconduct charges.  
 
Yes, he&#039;s a charismatic guy who seems really sincere in his desire to help people.  But I fear he will be remembered by history as a major contributor to a resurgence of deadly diseases.
 
 
Is it really possible that this is all just hype??
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Over the past 6 years, Americans convinced themselves that  (1) it was just fine to give mortgages to people who had no down payment and no income; and (2) these mortgages became valuable assets when repackaged and sold by banks.
 
The entire premise is absurd, yet we ALL fell for it, and our economy is in shambles.
 
Yes, it&#039;s possible for people to get fooled by hype, fooled in MASSIVE numbers.  We&#039;re in a period where science=unnatural=bad.  After all, sticking a needle into a baby seems grossly unnatural, and unnatural is bad, right?  So blaming vaccines for SOMETHING just feels right.
 
But that is bad logic.  Diseases are all natural, and they are bad.  Very bad.
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010978.html
 
Humans realized long ago that they could be fooled, and they started coming up with ways to keep from being fooled.  That&#039;s where the scientific method, and controlled, blinded studies came from - a desire to not be fooled.
 
 
So by all means do your own research.  But please, don&#039;t be fooled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MMR never had thimerosal.  AND, thimerosal in vaccines never caused any harm that anybody has been able to measure or prove.</p>
<p>There&#39;s so much hype around this topic, I put together a summary that maybe will help you with your decision.  The choice is yours, of course, but you should hear from someone who doesn&#39;t have an agenda.  My agenda is the same as yours, to be a good parent, nothing more.</p>
<p>Do vaccines cause autism?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Some parents claim they do.  But there are many many studies that show no link between vaccines and autism:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy#Recent_studies" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....nt_studies</a></p>
<p>Also, many parents have stopped vaccinating, or are vaccinating less over the past 10 years<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immunization29-2009mar29,0,3148179.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....8179.story</a></p>
<p>but the rate at which autism is diagnosed is still climbing, unchanged:<br />
<a href="http://www.fightingautism.org/idea/autism.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.fightingautism.org/idea/autism.php</a></p>
<p>If autism was caused by vaccines, and if many parents (as many as 40% in some wealthy California districts) are choosing to not vaccinate, shouldn&#39;t we see SOME change in the rate of autism diagnosis?</p>
<p>Is there an autism epidemic?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>It sure seems like it, doesn&#39;t it?  You never used to hear about it, then came Rain Man, then came Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, Larry King and Oprah, and now everyone has an autistic kid.</p>
<p>So if autism is rising, all things being equal, then we should see more kids applying for special education assistance in school, right?</p>
<p>But we don&#39;t.  We see about the same number (as a % of population) getting special attention in school that we saw 10 years ago.  But more of them are diagnosed as having &quot;autism spectrum disorder&quot; and fewer are diagnosed with other disorders.<br />
<a href="http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=297" rel="nofollow">http://www.autismstreet.org/weblog/?p=297</a></p>
<p>Other studies are similar.  There may be a slight rise in actual cases of autism, but it&#39;s hard to see through all the &quot;switched diagnoses&quot; and the effect of greater awareness of the condition: &quot;Honey, I just learned on Oprah that Johnny is autistic.&quot;</p>
<p>How did this vaccine-autism thing start?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
In 1998 Dr. Andrew Wakefield at the Royal Free Hospital in England concluded, based on a study of 12 kids, that there was a connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.  Since then, it has been learned that:</p>
<p>what he said about the kids medical histories was not true;<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....683671.ece</a></p>
<p>10 of the 12 doctors who co-authored the study removed their names from the study and published a retraction saying: &quot;We wish to make it clear that in this paper no causal link was established between MMR vaccine and autism as the data were insufficient.&quot;;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_enterocolitis#.22Retraction_of_an_interpretation.22" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....etation.22</a></p>
<p>While they were criticizing the MMR vaccine, Wakefield and the Royal Free Hospital were filing patent applications for an ALTERNATIVE VACCINE!<br />
<a href="http://briandeer.com/wakefield/vaccine-patent.htm" rel="nofollow">http://briandeer.com/wakefield/vaccine-patent.htm</a></p>
<p>Wakefield now faces professional misconduct charges.  </p>
<p>Yes, he&#39;s a charismatic guy who seems really sincere in his desire to help people.  But I fear he will be remembered by history as a major contributor to a resurgence of deadly diseases.</p>
<p>Is it really possible that this is all just hype??<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Over the past 6 years, Americans convinced themselves that  (1) it was just fine to give mortgages to people who had no down payment and no income; and (2) these mortgages became valuable assets when repackaged and sold by banks.</p>
<p>The entire premise is absurd, yet we ALL fell for it, and our economy is in shambles.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#39;s possible for people to get fooled by hype, fooled in MASSIVE numbers.  We&#39;re in a period where science=unnatural=bad.  After all, sticking a needle into a baby seems grossly unnatural, and unnatural is bad, right?  So blaming vaccines for SOMETHING just feels right.</p>
<p>But that is bad logic.  Diseases are all natural, and they are bad.  Very bad.<br />
<a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010978.html" rel="nofollow">http://nielsenhayden.com/makin.....10978.html</a></p>
<p>Humans realized long ago that they could be fooled, and they started coming up with ways to keep from being fooled.  That&#39;s where the scientific method, and controlled, blinded studies came from &#8211; a desire to not be fooled.</p>
<p>So by all means do your own research.  But please, don&#39;t be fooled.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see that above answer? ten points for that guy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see that above answer? ten points for that guy.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: John de Witt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John de Witt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. No
2. Who cares? There&#039;s nothing wrong with thimerosal, despite the tons of garbage pseudoscience that&#039;s been published about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. No<br />
2. Who cares? There&#39;s nothing wrong with thimerosal, despite the tons of garbage pseudoscience that&#39;s been published about it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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