Autism

I’m hearing a lot about how the thirmerosal in the flu vaccine causes autism and other neurological disorders.

I would love to get the H1N1 vaccine that’s thirmerosal-free, but it’s unavailable in my area.

Are there any mothers or mother’s-to-be out there that have gotten the regular flu shot with thimerosal and had children without disorders??

Thimerosal HAS NOT been linked to autism or ANY neurological disorders.

The government has not release the preservative free H1N1 yet so you will not be able to recieve it yet

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(I asked this question already and got a VERY rude answer TWICE. Yahoo has even pulled this question because people here are trying to eliminate these types of questions for some reason. If you disagree with something below and need to be rude about it please go to the politics category and answer another question!)

What research am I talking about? Here’s something from the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health (2007) available at the website for the Coalition For Mercury-free Drugs:

http://mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/071130_Geier_etal_PublishedReviewOfThimerosalPaper1.pdf

The CDC’s own Agency for Toxic Substances and Diseases Registry (ATSDR) says, "The nervous system is very sensitive to ALL FORMS [my emphasis] of mercury" (source: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts46.html )

EPA guidelines for maximum daily allowable exposure to mercury and mercury compounds is given at .1 micrograms per kilogram body weight (source: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228 ), but the flu vaccine containing Thimerosal gives a person much higher exposure than this (e.g., a 40 pound 5 year old girl would be getting 14 times the maximum "permissable" level after injection with the first two necessary doses).

How can so many news media sources along with the CDC and the World Health Organization encourage the public to believe that vaccines containing Thimerosal are simply "safe" (even for pregnant women!) in light of this kind of research? The people who argue that the above sources are somehow "invalid" refuse to believe that there are indicators that all research on the safety of ethyl mercury in vaccines is indeed mixed and NOT conclusive. Plus, if you’re ready to cite an epidemiological study that evaluated a large group of individuals, it doesn’t necessarily generalize to an individual case in which for some reason someone is more sensitive than most people to the dose of mercury you get when vaccinated. There hasn’t been a move by the FDA to remove Thimerosal from all pediatric vaccines for no reason!

Is it that the term "safe" is so vague it doesn’t really mean anything anymore?
If you want to read what I think:

http://cultureofone.blogspot.com/

Liam: To say "Mercury from thiomersal undergoes more rapid clearance from the blood than other compounds" is a bit vague. The World Health Organization reports the half life of ethylmercury in a typical vaccine is 7 days. Given how lethal mercury compounds have been shown to be through some very scary reports, who knows what happens in some cases in as little as 7 days? Also, this "clearing" of ethylmercury shown in studies that measure serum levels don’t rule out that when ethylmercury breaks down into its elemental components the mercury isn’t stored in tissue such as in kidneys, liver, or even the brain to do some kind of damage later. Moreover, the same website you link to admits the FDA did recommend that all pediatric vaccines no longer contain Thimerosal. Yet, you see this year the CDC says the vaccines containing Thimerosal are safe for all pregnant women, infants, and children. That’s a bit of an inconsistency.
Elle: I’ve seen that video from FOX. That’s Dr. Kent Holtorf. He’s one of the few doctors to come forth and admit there’s plenty of unknowns regarding how "safe" the flu vaccines are. You notice how the newscaster makes sure to make it look like Holtorf’s opinion is "outnumbered" 3 to 1? Real "balanced news" there!
Liam: You say, "There is no potential for cumulative toxicity." How can you say that when there’s not enough evidence for it in the study you linked to? Wishful thinking?

I can’t believe you provide a link to a study in Pediatrics (known to be advocates of pharmaceuticals) and you are skipping over the details and going right to your conclusion, which is NOT supported by this kind of research.

1. "Allergy to thimerosal is well-described in the clinical literature, primarily in the form of delayed-type hypersensitivity." Interpretation: There’s evidence that it’s not "safe" for everyone.
Liam: (con’t)
2. Why do you keep insisting it’s so important that ethylmercury is not methylmercury? From the same source in Pediatrics that YOU provided the link for: "Because high-dose exposure to ethylmercury from thimerosal results in toxicity comparable to that observed after high-dose exposure to methylmercury, and because of the chemical similarity of the 2 compounds, it appears reasonable to consider toxicity of low doses of methylmercury and ethylmercury to be similar."

3. The article admits that infants have received dosages of mercury through vaccines that exceed the EPA guideline for maximum daily exposure. That’s called "inconsistency" when it comes to setting standards for maximum allowable levels.

4. This article repeatedly says there is "no evidence of harm" due to lack of data. Even logically, this doesn’t equal the conclusion that Thimerosal is "safe." It means WE DON’T KNOW.
5. "Precisely identifying the risk from thimerosal in vaccines is problematic because of gaps in knowledge of its toxicity." That’s not true. It’s well known how lethal it is. they are trying to defend why a so-called "safe level" can be put into vaccines and expected to be tolerated even by an infant. When they say, "The comparative toxicity of ethyl- and methylmercury has not been well-characterized," they contradicted themselves. (Read #2 again.) This article is filled with imprecise and unclear language as well as the basic assumption that if you can’t find evidence for harm then harm doesn’t must not exist. That’s called "bad science." Thanks for the article. I now have 2 examples of sham research published by Pediatrics.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread505010/pg1 25,000x level of mercury in swine vaccine

I’ve found this:

"Children less than nine years of age being vaccinated for the first time should receive two doses of influenza vaccine, spaced at least 4 weeks apart in the initial year. For inactivated (injectable) vaccine, the dose for children aged 6-35 months is 0.25cc, and the dose for children aged 36 months-9 years is 0.5cc." (source: http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/about/qa/vaxadmin.htm )

And I’ve found a table with data according to manufacturer regarding the dosages: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm#table

But I can’t find how much Thimerosal (micrograms) would be contained in the dosage given to a child (5- year-old). Can you help?
Okay. A cc is the same as a ml. So then, a child 5 years old gets two vials of vaccine (one seasonal and one H1N1). Each is .5 ml. (source: http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/about/qa/vaxadmin.htm) According to the table, in .5 ml vials there’s 25 micrograms Thimerosal. That’s 50 micrograms Thimerosal total.
For the 50 micrograms Thimerosal only half of that is ethylmercury. Source: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228
So, what I was trying to conclude is that the 5 year old child would be getting injected with 25 micrograms ethylmercury (and yes, the parent could request the Thimerosal-free for of the vaccine, but a) it’s not always available, b)not all parents know about it, and c) the CDC says the majority of available vaccine contains Thimerosal as a preservative.
I was referring to each dose of the vaccine. I do realize each person needs 4 doses eventually.

A child 4 – 9 years old, receiving the H1N1 vaccine and the seasonal flu vaccine for the first time, would be injected with a total of 100 mcg of mercury. Each vaccine requires 2 doses for a child receiving it for the first time. Each dose contains 25 mcg of *mercury,* not 25 mcg of thimerosal.

Here are the package inserts for verification.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123694.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf

Pregnant women are encouraged to get both the seasonal and H1N1 flu shots, exposing themselves and their developing fetuses to 50 mcg of mercury.

If I were into conspiracy theories, I would think they were trying to make up for the mercury they took out of the other childhood vaccines. Why would they do that? So there wouldn’t be an obvious drop in autism rates for children born after 2003, when the last of the mercury filled childhood vaccines expired. Why wouldn’t they want there to be an obvious drop in autism rates? Because then there would be billions and billions and billions of dollars in liability.

I am 34 weeks pregnant and my obstetrician wants me to take both vaccines… I am afraid of what the preservatives can do to my baby, though.

personally i think swine flu is a govt. made flu but i dont trust any shots anymore with how the world is but im sorry i couldnt’ help just expressing my opinion